"Crazy fundamentalist fanatics", "Mr. Baptist","religious(zealots)". Tactic sound familiar? If we didn't agree with President Obama, we were called racists. All these names coming from people who have no names.

Posted by Mike Goude on 2/13/2010

Prayer survives in school thanks to the US Constitution. Not sure why some religious zealot(s) scream to make a big thing out of this. The school simply needed to follow the rules to ensure the new club's right to meet. But please note (zealots) that judgement is best left to God.

Posted by on 2/13/2010

Mr. Wow: Since you brought it up, here is a little Sunday School lesson just for you. Saul of Tarsus may beg to differ with your definition of force when he was struck blind on the road to Damascus. Theologians would also point you to the original Greek manuscripts for the word "draw" in John 6:44..."helkuo" which ,means to drag. It is the same Greek word in John 21:6,11. The readers can draw their own conclusions. In addition, Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life no man can come unto the Father except by me."(John14:6) While there is no "forcing", it certainly narrows down the options. As far as Jesus inviting "all", you might want to consider finding an implied or expressed invitation to His betrayer, Judas(who was chosen not invited,John 6:70)which will nullify or qualify "all". Anytime the word "all" is used in the context of salvation one must ask... is it "all" without exception or "all" without distinction? Of course these are only my beliefs and I certainly wouldn't want to force them on everyone. Your faith in the Constitution would be exemplified by signing your name to your humble opinions.

Posted by Mike Goude aka Mr. Baptist on 2/13/2010

Sorry dude, Mr. Baptist seems like he knows what he is talking about! Maybe you should be reading up more on the issues instead of being so condescending. TYPICAL LIBERAL,oops, I mean progessive!

Posted by on 2/13/2010

Dr. Cafaro was for the prayer. I'm glad to know that he is allowing us to continue to pray. Starting next Tuesday the students will meet for prayer and worship!
This is was happens when people pray for a situation, THINGS GET SOLVED

Posted by Christian Carroll on 2/12/2010

It is the height of cowardice to call someone names and then not give your own. Got a little apprehension about that protection under the first amendment do ya? Must be that Taliban thing.

Posted by Mike Goude aka Mr. Baptist on 2/12/2010

First off I am far from a religious person. Second If a public school tried to force a religious class on my child I would argue the chuch vs state argument. But If a child chooses to join an after school activity be it volly ball or a prayer group it wouldnt bother me at all. It has nothing to do with me and It should have nothing to do with anyone else. If you dont want to particpate.... DONT. case closed. This political correct B.S. is so agravating.

Posted by on 2/12/2010

Wow! How and why does someone make a jump to abortion and Liberalism? Someone must not have much faith in their own beliefs and their own government/US Constitution. Instead of trying to force an end to abortion, why don't truly faithful believers work hard to make adoption a more socially acceptable option? Woman own their bodies. Crazy fundamentalist fanatics in religion treat woman as men's personal property(Taliban and others - don't even educate their daughters). Abortion is way off topic for this report. But since Mr Baptist brought it up - I will pray that God opens your heart and MIND. You, Mr Baptist, seem to need to force your beliefs on everyone, especially the Liberals. Jesus did NOT FORCE anyone, therefore he WON by inviting ALL. I think Mr Baptist has a lot to learn (as we all do) about what God wants and how we should hope and pray that tomorrow, we can make things better. Have faith Mr Baptist, you are protected by the US Constitution and God's love and understanding.

Posted by on 2/11/2010

To: not too hard to find the truth, I was a student of Baptist history before you had "google key word search". My comment was simply asking for the laws inferred that the students were breaking according to the U.S. Constitution and S.C. state law. Many anti religious groups are quick to point to the Constitution as a grounds for separation of church and state. What they have tried to do is reverse the intent of the wording in the Constitution when it actually speaks to the danger of a state run church as was the Church of England. The first amendment was never intended to keep the church out of government, It was intended to keep the government out of the church. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercize there of". The founding fathers knew all the legal documents in the world would never be adhered to unless there was a moral underpinning in this nation. "PRAYERS" of George Washington allude to this. Christians seeking religious freedom and escaping religious persecution bravely came and settled America. That religious history has been set aside by revisionists who would like nothing better than to have religion completely removed not only from our history but from the present processes of our legislative agendas. They know if they can change the minds and hearts of our children they can succeed. A small segment of our college and university graduates have leaned to the teachings of liberal professors. But now that liberalism has being shoved down our throats, it "ain't working no more". The respect for other citizen's religion is the same technique used to promote pro abortion activism by calling it a womans' right to privacy. Look where we are now as a nation by sitting on the side lines and allowing that to be funded by tax payers who are against it. It is "not too hard to find the truth" in what the founding fathers would be saying about this present discussion of allowing voluntary prayer in schools...."or prohibiting the free exercize thereof". The key word here is voluntary prayer. This is still a Christian nation...its just an intimidated Christian nation. Shame on us!!!

Posted by Mike Goude on 2/10/2010

To the person who commented under this, it is not about force. These kids are there on their own time, and it is only those who want to participate. Yes, I would think it would be wrong if kids were forced to go to this group, but they go on their own free. So nobody is being forced!!

Posted by on 2/10/2010

Do you want a Muslim teacher to force his or her religious beliefs on your Christian child? I'd guess you probably would have a problem with that, huh? Well, you can thank separation of church and state for the fact that this would be illegal. Our wise founding fathers have protected your Christian children from brain washing from other religions. Wake up - no one is taking God away from the schools. Your religious beliefs are PROTECTED because no one can force you to believe in anything you do not want to believe in. Follow rules and you can pray anytime anywhere and to any God/god you wish. But remember, you can not force your beliefs on others, you may however, pray for others.

Posted by on 2/9/2010

Jamie I know you pretty well, but remember that its not about you.

Posted by johnny poston on 2/9/2010

Do you realize it's not about assembly? It's not about prayer? It's about laws and whether they were followed or not. It's about a person who was on school property doing something they didn't have written authority to do. You so-called Christians should be embarrassed at the fact you're all arguing as if someone wants to destroy the faith. I am sure if a Gay Alliance organizer was on the property without permission, you so-called Christians would be hollering.

Posted by A church goer on 2/9/2010

No, Johnny, I didn't say the kids had false motives. You're putting words in my typepad. I suggest you read what I have written and realize what it at the utmost importance here. Facts aren't hard to find. For you to even thing such a thing about me is absurd. It also shows you really don't know anything about me besides you and I being coworkers.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/9/2010

i feel very offended by this. I'm a student at GHS and a Christian as well. Its sad that the school or the community isn't doing anything about this. The district can act like they didn't know anything about this, but when it has been going on for some many years and they are just now noticing it; then that makes the district look bad. When someone tries to stand up for what they believe in, then they get knocked right back down. I understand that the woman was on campus without permission, but if the Principals thought that she was a problem then they should have done something about her before now. There have been many days where I've walked passed this woman and saw the principals, staff, and students talking to her. She never forced us to take those scriptures or go to prayer. I have to admit I was NOT a faithful member of the prayer, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE I WILL NOW. The district can't not stop us!! If we get a group together and go pray every morning, they can't stop us because it will be student lead. Also, the whole thing about "praying for show" if we the students went to school before school even started, taking time out of our mornings to pray in a closed room then how is that praying for show? We were not assembled in the middle of the hall or anything, I mean come on people?
ITS TIME FOR THE CHRISTIANS TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN AND STAND OUT. WE WAS MAKE TO BE DIFFERENT, NOT MADE TO BE WORLDLY!

Posted by Christian Carroll on 2/9/2010

Jamie, that is a bold statement to say that you know who is using the pulpit for monetary gain. Anyway the fact is that you are trying to say that these kids have false motives and that just isn't true.

Posted by Johnny Poston on 2/9/2010

Johnny, that is something I realize and I believe you have mistaken what I intended - that people do use the Word for such reasons. For several years, I have studied theology and religion, during and after college, and also know who uses the pulpit for monetary gain. We all need to be cautious in that aspect. Just know that I am am. The Lord says it is much better to go into your closet and pray, rather than doing so in public with false motives of prideful self-righteousness.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/9/2010

Just got through talking with god. He asked me to tell everyone that if they continue to text or talk on their cell phone while driving he will meet you very soon. Keep the faith.

Posted by on 2/9/2010

Jamie, I know you have'nt studied because the hypocrites that are being talked about in that scripture are the ones that are praying aloud just to be seen. The kids go in a room down the hallway so they don't offend anyone. So as I said earlier, be careful. I don't say that to be rude, I just say that as one that is extra cautious of miscontruing God's word. Let us all be much in prayer about this situation.

Posted by Johnny Poston on 2/9/2010

They have been meeting for 10 years and NOBODY knew about it? That's amazing! Either someone is not telling the truth about not knowing these meetings were being held or, as I've known for a long time (my children go to school in the G'town district), the staff at our schools are totally uncommitted to the welfare of the students. Most of the staff are only there to collect a paycheck. Thievery in the schools is rampid, and there is no recourse for the victims. For all the "security" they supposedly have, there never seems to be surveillance around at the time of the crime and rarely do the victims get caught/punished.

Posted by on 2/9/2010

I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE ANGRY BUT IT TAKE 10 YEARS FOR OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM TO JUST NOW PICK UP ON THIS. WERE HAS EVERYBODY BEEN. THEY WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING IF THEY WERE PRAYING IN THE CAFFTERA OR WOULD THEY. BECAUSE IT MY HURT SOMEONE. PEOPLE POINTING FINGERS AT EVERYBODY WILL NOT FIX THIS PROBLEM. WE NEED SOMEONE TO STAND UP FOR THEIR BELIEVES AND LET IT SHINE AND TRUST ME WHEN THEY DO ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE BEHIND THEM. SO START SHINNING WERE THESE KID CAN CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THE FEEL IS RIGHT.

Posted by MOOSE29440@NETSCAPE.NET on 2/9/2010

Mike, as a Baptist, you should already know where separation of church and state originated. The modern concept is often credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

Posted by Not hard to find truth on 2/9/2010

Johnny, how do you know what I have studied? You don't go to my church. You don't hang around me. What should I be careful of? That's a weird comment, coming from a Christian. I argue logic and reason and get told to be careful. That's funny.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/9/2010

Ladies and Gents. Based on the district's point of view, it doesn't matter if they're down there praying or playing cards. They don't have the appropriate, documented permission to be there and they are being forced to rectify that or cease. This is not a religious issue, it's an issue regarding taking proper action to ensure use of school facilities to meet as a student club. Write the letter, receive permission, and be on your way. It's that simple.

Posted by Morgan Kelly on 2/9/2010

Take this opportunity to start a constitution amendment process to put prayer back in school. The people in this country would overwhelmingly support this cause. What is being accomplished by people just stating how they feel. The law is the law. CHANGE IT ONCE AND FOR ALL. Let's put prayer back in school. Why haven't the churches in this country started this process already? I bet you that we would have 92.3% people in favor of this constitution amendment. Let's get rolling.

Posted by Prayer in School Supporter on 2/9/2010

I completely agree with Johnny! We do have to follow the laws, so something should be done really fast to see about making this a legal club for the kids who would like to be apart of it. I graduated in 1995, and we had a club called The Fellowship of Christian Students, or FCS. I guess they no longer have this group, but maybe some of the kids can see about getting it running again. It was pretty popular then! And as for Mrs. Violet, God bless her! We need more people like that, who use their time to try and show the kids love and support. Maybe she could also see about becoming the leader of this group. Legally that is. She deserves it after all these years of helping to better our youth, who today, need all the help that they can get!!
And Monica, you stand up for what you believe!! I know God is very proud of you!! There is a huge support system behind this, so hopefully with all this attention, the group or club will become legal, and nothing else will get in your clubs way! God bless you!!

Posted by on 2/9/2010

I am still confused about the harm of a few kids praying in a back room. I'm from the '96 class and would have benefited from this. I too have helped Mrs Violet in years past and I say keep up the good work, my youth group will be praying for you. As for Jamie, I'd be careful how you just start trying to quote scripture when you havent studied it and don't understand what you are talking about.

Posted by Johnny Poston on 2/9/2010

THIS IS NOT A CLUB THIS IS CHILDREN WANTING TO PRAY FOR THE SCHOOL THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR COUNTY. PEOPLE HAVE LOST FOCUS IN THAT. LET THE KIDS PRAY THEY DON'T NEED TO FORM A CLUB. IT THEIR RIGHT TO PRAY BY THEIRSELF OR WITH FRIENDS.

Posted by MOOSE29440 on 2/9/2010

Wahh!!! I bunch of Christians being persecuted. What a joke. You can pray any where at any time. This notion in the south that Christian's rights are somehow being taken away is just plain untrue. The Fathers of this country were trying to get away from religious based government. The next time you think you are being picked on as a Christian, think about how your fellow Jewish an Muslim brothers and sisters have been persecuted. It should put into proper perspective.

Posted by on 2/9/2010

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Why is it the most RELIGIOUS states have the highest rates of divorce, domestic violence, crime, unemployment, etc....???
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Posted by Doctor Razz on 2/9/2010

To the poster who agrees with Jamie: Would you mind sharing with us uninformed, unread, ignorant citizens of this county, the Constitutional wording that supports your and Jamie's legal position on "Separation of Church and State"? I would really like to read that if you don't mind. This is a fight liberals only think they want. They try with their condesending remarks to intimidate and silence those who disagree with them. You people who disagree with this are only seeing the tip of the iceburg if you continue to elect socialist driven political wanna be's. I don't care if they run as a Repulican or a Democrat..."are you a liberal?" is the question that needs to be answered. If this is a legal issue provide the law that is broken. Not a generic phrase but the actual law that says it is illegal for our children to meet and pray in a public school facility. Please explain how someone who was given permission to enter the grounds under one administration is not allowed under this administration. You want us to follow the law...give us the law. Stand up church leaders. Let your voices be heard. I find it curious as to how we recognize a nation as Islamic but our nation is not to be recognized at all. Political correctness is an infectious disease. We are a Christian nation all right. At least we are to the terrorists who flew our planes as weapons of mass destruction. I suppose some don't mind our nation being called the "great satan". I will tell you Jamie and your disciples I am offended by this whole scenario and it it ain't over. Its time to get local state and national politicians in this debate and remind them how they got their jobs. Those of you politicians who might read this and know you stood in church pulpits to get votes. You citizens who allowed them in your church....WHERE IS THE SEPARATION CHURCH AND STATE in that? RISE UP CHURCH AND STOP THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL. NEXT THEY WILL CENSOR YOUR SERMONS....Don't think so? Did you think we would ever be having this discussion?

Posted by Mike Goude, Elder Graves Southern Baptist Church on 2/8/2010

Thanks to the level headed people in this argument. People, relax. The authorities were forced into this position because of the complaint, whether the complaint was justified or not. They had to do this because it is the law. As I and others have stated, just step up and do it properly and continue on with your meetings.
I feel like this is going to be really mean, but it needs to be said: In my year of serving with Mrs. Infinger, I never saw this many students or teachers as fired up about the morning prayer group as I do now that this story has come out. I think many of you are quick to jump on the bandwagon because you feel like you or something you believe in has been slighted or wronged. Be smart, walk in love. The Bible asks us to obey the law and to love other people. My advice: Chill out, examine your hearts to see why you are really so upset, and if you actually care about the prayer group continuing and are not just looking for something to rant about, create a group, revive the (totally dead) FCA at GHS and get the group going again. Some people should probably be asking why Mrs. Infinger was the only one willing to do something so bold for 10 years, and I'm included in that guilty party, class of 04.

Posted by Jonny on 2/8/2010

I was a member of Fellowship of Christian Athletes when I went to GHS. The difference is that the club was formed by going through the proper channels. The school is responsible for any adult that comes onto campus and interacts with the students. Ms. Infinger hasn't gone through the proper screenings. That doesn't mean she's not a fine, upstanding lady. It simply means proper procedures weren't followed.
The school is telling the kids that they can certainly form a club. They just have to go about it the right way.
You folks seem to be looking for a fight. I think it's time to look elsewhere.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

I actually agree with every word Jamie has said. People, take off your republican, red colored glasses and look at the language of the Constitution, just like our Supreme Court is asked to do. If you do, you will see that this indeed is a legal issue. Some of you people say that we have discipline problems in school because of lack of prayer and God. Please, open your eyes. You want to have discipline in schools? Bring back corporal punishment. Ask yourself this: why do you not speed? Fear of God or fear of the consequences (ticket, insurance increase)? I can tell you that I don't speed from fear of the consequences. Just as when I was in school, I didn't act up from fear of the consequences, not fear of God or because it was the Christian thing to do.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

It is amazing how a demon can quote scripture to fit his purposes. Just speaking locally I am pretty active in politics and I hope that all voters remember what side our newest "republican" is on on this issue. I agree that this matter should be cleared up easily by re instituting the FCA. However I find it deplorable that someone uses legalism to defend people who are obviously trying to attack Prayer in school and Christianity. In my opiunion this very attitude is the reason certain people have never been nor ever will be elected to hold a political office of any consequence. Voters please remember the voices that are aiding in this debacle.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

This school has been having prayer since 1999 now. I just graduated from Georgetown High last year and have never heard a complaint from students about Mrs. Violet leading prayer in the mornings. And I have watched her every morning faithfully handing out scriptures to students. She has never forced a student to accept the small piece of paper, and never out of the way about it, she normally stood in one spot for the majority of the time between the two bells ringing.
I went to prayer almost every single day my freshman year and those days always started out amazingly. Mrs. Violet has a heart for the school to get better, which is something that school needs. I really just hope and pray everything will work out so that she may return to the school and keep doing what she has been doing for over ten years now.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

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Posted by SWilliams on 2/8/2010

Most people aren't fully understanding what this article is saying. All these kids have to do is get the appropriate permission to assemble. This isn't a religious issue. The wrongdoing here is failing to receive an "ok" to meet. No one is saying they aren't allowed to meet because they are there praying. They aren't allowed to meet because nobody has ever been asked and given them the go-ahead. I thought this was a pretty simple article but I read it all the way through.

Posted by Morgan Kelly on 2/8/2010

I'm begging for the Christians to be smart here. Do NOT just lash out at the issue and preach about it. How about you do what they ask? It's simple: obey the law and create a group legally, which is what Mr. Sanderson has been advocating.
You accomplish nothing by flipping out about the issue. No one is attacking God or attacking your children. I want to see the group continue because I personally believe in the power of it, but if it's breaking a law, it needs to be reintroduced under the law.
I say this again: Students and GHS staff, put your money where your mouth is. Reinvigorate the dead FCA at GHS, create something new, do whatever it takes to LEGALLY get the prayer group off the ground. Otherwise you're screaming at a brick wall with Bible verses. The wall isn't going to Heaven.

Posted by Jonny on 2/8/2010

I think if a large number of people are regularly gathering in a school space for any purpose, the school should be aware of that and agree to it...religious issues aside. But solicitors are not allowed on most school grounds anyway, whether they are peddling religion or viagra.

Posted by A reader on 2/8/2010

A basic belief for the Christian Right is that America is a 'Christian Nation.' This belief is one of the most important foundations of every other position they advocate. So long as people believe that America is a 'Christian' nation, it should be easier for them to get the government to adopt laws which are based upon or which promote specifically Christian beliefs or doctrines.
Schools are an important component of their efforts to encourage this belief. Christian schools teach the doctrine outright, but secular public schools cannot -- at least, not yet. For the time being they can only promote a very vague sort of theism which the courts turn a blind eye to by pretending that it's no longer truly religious.
The Pledge of Allegiance, with it's added phrase 'under God,' plays a significant role here because every day most children recite what amounts to a patriotic affirmation incorporating a religious oath. In this manner children are encouraged to see patriotism and theism as essentially linked. Since most tend to come from at least a general Christian background, the Christian god is the only sort of god they'll have in mind when they say or hear 'under God.'
Even if children do not actively and consciously believe that patriotism requires theism, that America is specially blessed by God, or that Christianity is America's defining religion, the attitudes and assumptions necessary for such beliefs will be inculcated over years of repetition. When they are needed, they will be there and they will be ready to exploit.
This image is based upon a World War II poster stating that 'Teaching is War-Work, Too.' I have replaced the original text with advocacy of the concept that America is a nation 'Under God' and that you can't be a real American unless you believe in God.

Posted by ACLU on 2/8/2010

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask Him." - Matthew 6: 5-8... He says not to pray in public in order to be seen by others and praised for it. He says it is much better to go into your closet and pray, rather than doing so in public with false motives of prideful self-righteousness (Pat Robertson, anyone?).
Read the Book of Acts if you want to see public prayer in action. Christ prayed in front of his disciples all the time.
However, his main goal was to preach in public to people, rather than praying in public to God. The latter is not very useful.
That's why the disciples asked Jesus, "How should we pray?". They hadn't seen enough by his own example that they were certain how it should be done.
That's called the "Lord's prayer", except it is really the "Disciples prayer", as Jesus was telling his disciples how they should pray. And that was a model for prayer, not how people should pray exact words.
That's another silly thing. People take the model prayer and use it as the prayer. It was supposed to be an example - that's all.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/8/2010

Well as a current Student at Georgetown High, and also part of this group i am going to post this. I am very hurt that people are really going to try and stop this now. I will Stand Up and Fight!! I will not sit back and watch satan take us out. We as a Body of Christ needs to take a STAND in Unity and fight for what we believe. I honestly think that it is ridiculous that we cant talk about God but we can talk about all of these other "Gods".
We did not bother a person. We went into the auditorium on our own and took a time to pray. Did not force anyone to go in their. It was their own choice to go. I know from experience that there were mornings that i would go to school and literally just feel so down and out and I would go to prayer and leave feeling so much better. That shows just how Great that our God is.
This with the handing of Bible Scriptures there again also she didn't force anyone to take them. It was there choice. You just don't realize how many people them scriptures helped through the day.
Why would you try to stop something that isnt bothering anyone. We did not sit there and put people down nor interrupt school. I dont see a problem with what we were doing. Why is it when it comes to God and us taking a stand for him than people try and get God taken out of everything. Well we need nothing more than God. He is the one that will get you through the hard times, the good times, when your down and out. He is there when you need someone to talk to. Yes that is our God. He is worthy to be praised.
You see other kids supporting their religion with the way they dress but honesty, and the things that they say about us Christians but no-one goes and complains to everyone trying to get them kicked out or what knot..
People may see Christianity as a "Religion" but i see it as a Relationship with my Father in Heaven. The one that shed his blood that we might be saved. If he can do that for us why cant we show him how much we do love him and STAND UP and FIGHT!!!
Satan is trying to take out this Generation but he cant have us. He has no Authority... We have the power because we got God on our side.
We are a Christian based Nation!! If you say we aren't than why is it in our pledge that it says "One Nation Under God?" Im not bashing anyone's belief but i am standing for mine. I feel so heart broken that someone would honestly do that.
We have got to be there and show the love of God but also not let Satan win this fight.

Posted by Monica Cusack on 2/8/2010

I think this does constitute separation of church and state there. And hey, since they don't want to feed kids in school (ya know, worse than feeding a stray animal) the least they can do is organize prayer for them.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

Where did I say kids were hurting others? Have you read what I have written? Do it legally - that's all. If we are going to allow this person on campus and not sanction it, then forget the safety system in all of our schools. You do realize people use religion for other means also, don't you? Students can pray now for guidance. Do they need someone in the flesh to lead them? And, please... Don't make me laugh about violence in schools being attributed to God being removed. As if violence only started after that... Come on. By the way, we do have churches. Don't make it sound as if something is being taken away from children. It's a little more complex than that.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/8/2010

Jamie, you amaze me. How can you defend this decision. We should be so proud of our teenagers that want to come together to pray, despite the ridicule many probably face by doing this. We as citizens and tax payers need to stand up to the board and tell them that we completely stand behind this prayer meeting. If it needs to be made a club...do so immediately. Don't take this away from these students. Right now, our students need to be praying for guidance. So be it if it takes place at school. Compare schools today to schools from the 50s or 60s. Less discpline problems, less violence, more respect for authority...AND what is the difference...God was removed. It is a scart time when we discourage our young people from praying. Who are they hurting?

Posted by on 2/8/2010

Mike, don't bother me with trying to invoke your view to counter what's right. Separation of church and state is not a proposition - it's real and in effect. And I love how you use religious freedom to defend your comments. Yes, we have the freedom of religion. To worship whoever we want as a people. This nation is not a Christian nation. So, do not expect a school to sanction just one religion - especially when the person doing the soliciting isn't supposed to be there on school property. And speaking of letting taxpayers decide on something, they already feel like they pay too much - even when our budget is redder than a tomato. Go figure. And to the person who thinks this is about being politically correct, it's not. It's about being legally correct, locally.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/8/2010

I personally helped Mrs. Violet pass out her literature every Friday of the 08-09 school year. Dr. Pringle, I think it's very telling of the level of communication and insight you have with your schools that you have "never seen her there." Welcome to the past 10 years where the woman has been on campus every single day.
I think this should be a wake up call to the students and GHS staff. For years you have allowed someone else to come in and represent your faith for you, now is the time for you to take hold of the movement and do something with it. If you as students and staff believe in the cause and want to see the movement continue, it's your turn to lead it.
P.S.- Find your Caps Lock button and self-control, people. It makes you seem like less of a buck toothed hillbilly. You wonder why people around the country make fun of us as Southerners. All you're doing is proving them right.

Posted by Jonny on 2/8/2010

I have two children that go to GHS and they both told me that Mrs. Infinger has never abused the privilege she was granted from the past administration.In fact my daughter has brought home some of the scriptures that was handed out and I as a Father, Christian & Youth Pastor thought it was a wonderful thing she was doing. I will be praying that her ministry will continue and our children will not be robbed of their rights. I have worked with a lot of children in Georgetown from a lot of different backgrounds and I feel anything we can do to help better our children for their futures and the problems they will face then it is our obligation to do so.There is a lot of children in Georgetown that needs someone not to judge them or to be Politically Correct with them but to love them and help them when they dealing with a problem. If you are a christian in Georgetown no matter what church you attend you should be standing up for God and OUR children. Being Politically Correct will not get you into heaven but knowing God will. I WILL BE PRAYING AND I HOPE YOU WILL BE ALSO.

Posted by Glen D Lindsey on 2/8/2010

Jamie, Why do you bring up Fox News in everything? Your continuum of bashing Fox only increases its viewing audience. Your comments on this subject has to come from the religious persuasion that preaches "Don't curse the light, snuff out a candle". I am always confused by a liberal who claims to be a Christian yet relegates the "great commission"(Matthew 28:19,20)of Jesus Christ to a contingency of political correctness. I suggest for your reading Luke 11:33-36. The results of taking prayer out of school is evident in our unruly society today. I know the liberal web sites are many that refute this fact. There is a liberal website that refutes everything. So don't bother to send me there. I've been there done that. What the school district needs to do is make this a referendum for the voters of our good county. The whole proposition of the so called "separation of church and state" was to keep the citizenry from being overreached by a state run church. This is precisely why this nation was founded..... for religious freedom. The public school system is funded by the taxpayer. Let the taxpayer decide what is best for their children. If there is a different religious persuasion that does not incite anger and or terror, I could care less if they quietly meet to pray to their "god" on the grounds of the public school system. If Christians teach the Bible to their children and live a life according to scripture they need not worry about their children converting to another teaching contrary to our religious beliefs. With regards to Christianity on school grounds, I found it highly suspicious when the ACLU did not file law suits on the pastors that came to the aid of their congregants on the school grounds at the Columbine massacre. Let the voters decide this issue. This is a Democracy.

Posted by Mike Goude on 2/8/2010

I AM A MUSSLIM AND I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THESE STUDENTS WANTING TO HAVE PRAYER CIRCLE BEFORE CLASS. IT IS NOT FORCED UPON ANYONE AND IT IS ON THEIR OWN TIME. SHAME ON ANYONE WHO TRIES TO STOP IT.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

Adults did stand up in what they believe in, Johnny. It's called separation of church and state. It's called laws. The woman has no business on school property without consent or approval. Again, this is a legal way to have something like this. Follow it. Just as there is a way to follow the Lord - no shortcuts.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/8/2010

THATS RIGHT OUR SCHOOL BOARD DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OUR SCHOOL AND WHAT GOING ON IN THEM. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS WERE THE CAN BUGGET THEY BIG SALARIES IN THIS YEAR OR NOT. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TEACHER NOR THE STUDENT IT TIME TO MAKE A STAND AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD. THEY WANT TO TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY FROM OUR KIDS THAT WE HAD GOING THROUGH SCHOOL THIS IS NOT RIGHT. IF IT WAS NOT FOR PRAY IN THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD AND WILL FALL APART BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH FROM OUR KIDS BEFORE THEY WILL TURN ON YOU.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

I have been there with Mrs. Violet in the past and I have seen the good she has done. She bothers no one and only the kids that want to attend are involved. I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody would try to destroy the good work she is doing. Lets see if our school board really cares about allowing this lady to help the few kids that she gets to see each morning. Once again the kids are punished because of adults unwillingness to stand up for what they believe in. As for Dr. Pringle how much does she know about our schools if she is supposedly just now finding out. Mrs. Voilet our prayers are with you, don't give up.

Posted by Johnny Poston on 2/8/2010

PEOPLE THIS ARGING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER IN THE ARTICLE IS ONE REASON THESE KIDS NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BELIVE IN YES SOMEONE IN THE SCHOOL SHOULD BE THEIR BUT NO ONE WILL STEP UP AND TAKE THAT RESPONABILTY. IT TIME TO STOP ARGING PEOPLE HAVE THEIR VIEWS ON WHAT THE WANT FOR THEIR KID AND THATS FINE. BUT DON'T HURT ANOTHER PERSON IN DO. AND YOU ARE HURTING THESE KIDS BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING THEIR RIGHT AWAY FROM THEM. A TEACHER OR SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STAND UP AND SAY I'LL DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN.

Posted by MOOSE29440@NETSCAPE.NET on 2/8/2010

Of course Jamie Sanderson is against prayer and the handing out of religious material in schools. Also good analogy comparing Christians and Muslims. if it were Muslims you would be all for it wouldnt you? Sorry if I offend you, liberal.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

Um, children are allowed to pray any time they want in public schools - to themselves. What people here don't understand is that someone not employed by the school or the school district is on the same property with our children. Has been for years. I suppose if it were a person of another faith, FOX news would be called in and people would think GHS was a mosque. There are rules to abide by in the Georgetown School District - and handing out self-interpreted scripture on school grounds is not acceptable. Have a child follow the procedures to get it done right. Isn't that what's important? Doing things the right way? I guess we'll see.

Posted by Jamie Sanderson on 2/8/2010

I wonder what the reaction will be if they started an Islamic prayer group so that all practicing Muslims can break out their prayer rugs and pray to Muhammad? With teacher supervison? Whould that be okay? Or would that be offensive since that our Bible Belt society believes that all Muslims are infidels and terrorists?

Posted by on 2/8/2010

WELL IF SOMEONE IN THE SCHOOL WOULD STAND UP AND SAY I'LL DO IT FOR THE STUDENT THIS WILL BE OK. BUT EVERYONE IS SO SCARED BECAUSE THEY MAY LOSE THEIR JOB OVER IT. SO AN OUTSIDER FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS HAVE TAKEN IT ON THEM SELF TO DO IT. BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD STEP UP AND HELP THE STUDENTS WITH IT. IT AN CLUB IT JUST A 10 MIN MEETING.

Posted by MOOSE29440 on 2/8/2010

There is not a problem with students praying in school. The problem is having a non-staff member leading it or passing out literature. If the students were leading it with a teacher or staff member present this would be a mute issue.
We should be praying for boldness, courage and a passion to pursue God in our teens faith. Then maybe a loving adult from outside the school wouldn't have to go in to lead such an activity, the teens would be intiating it and doing it.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

PEOPLE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND WAKE UP. PEOPLE ARE NOT THE SAME YES I BELIVE IN JESUS AND SO DO OTHER PEOPLE I NOW. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DONT BELIVE IN WHAT I BELIVE IN SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE CHILDREN WHO DO BELIVE IN IT. I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE TO MANY OF OUR GRANDPARENT,FATHER,MOTHER,SISTER AND BROTHERS HAVE DIED FOR THIS RIGHT. AND TO SIT HERE AND WRITE ABOUT WHAT THEY FOUGHT FOR SO LONG ABOUT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION , FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION OR JUST FREEDDOM IN GENRAL SO THAT THEIR KIDS COULD HAVE A BETTER LIFE TO LIVE IN AND THE SCHOOL AND SOME OF THE PARENTS WANTS TO TAKE THAT A WAY FROM CHILDREN. I ALWAYS WAS TOLD RISE THEM UP RIGHT SHOW THEM THE RIGHT WAY TO GO AND THEY'LL PAVE THE ROAD TO GET THERE. AND IF THEY NEED A BOOST IN MORNING BEFORE THE START OF CLASS THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO. I SUPPORT PRAYER BEFORE CLASSES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT THAT'S OK BUT DON'T STOP IT FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE U DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.
I BELIVE THAT EVERYONE HAS A GOOD HEART SOME WERE IN THEM AND THAT PEOPLE WILL MAKE BAD DECSION IN A LIFE TIME. BUT LETS DON'T MAKE A BAD ONE HERE.

Posted by MOOSE29440@NETSCAPE.NET on 2/8/2010

The children should be allowed to pray. Why is that other religions and non-religions can freely display their faith but when it comes to Christians it's against "policy". We are living in a nation that when not in a crisis, God is against the law. But as soon as a crisis occurs, He's the first one that they call on for help. It's also alright to talk about muhammad and buhdah, but at the sound of the name Jesus people get all bent out of shape. It's just something about that name Jesus Christ. If children of other religions are allowed to where their head coverings to school then my child should be allowed to pray to God in school openly.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

Is there not an FCA at georgetown high.. this can be cleared up rapidly if there is an Fellowship of Christian Athletes. the prayer time could be adapted to it.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

Go back and see what has happened when prayer was not allowed in school yet after each incident of violence in schools around the world, they hold prayer vigils.
OK go ahead and stop the kids from praying but be aware there will be HELL to pay.

Posted by on 2/8/2010

I agree with the other posts. What is wrong with these kids wanting to say prayers before school? Nothing! They aren't hurting anyone by any means! If kids want to pray, they should be allowed too, and if they don't want too, they have that right not to attend the prayer group. Like the paper said, it was for those who wanted to pray!! Key word.. WANTED!! It's a simple as that!! One shouldn't be denied their religion!! I feel this country is turning to crap, and I thought this was supposed to be the land of the free. I complain of no ones religion, and I wish people would quit complaining about mine! If you believe in Jesus Christ, stand up for him! If you don't, you have that right not to, but don't try and take away the rights of everyone who believes. I think it is very wrong that my kids can't even have a Christmas tree in their classroom because other religions complain about it. Why can't they do something to support all the religions in the classroom? And remember the Fire Department that couldn't put out the baby Jesus, cause of the woman that said it was a distraction? Well how about turning your head when you pass the department!! I love Jesus, and for all the people who do and want to praise him, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED and SHAME on the people who take that right away from them!!

Posted by Very annoyed with this topic!! on 2/8/2010

I have went to this school and yes drug selling is going on in the school. i feel that the meeting in the morning are not for all student.
But they are not pusing anyone of them to go. Student want to go to this for help and guideness from the lord above. Weather or not you belive or not these Teenager is looking above for help and to take that away from them. They will get into more trouble with drugs,peer presure,smoking,stealing,sexually thing. i feel that this will be a mistake for the teen to take it away from them.

Posted by moose29440 on 2/8/2010

Its amazing to me that people of other religions or of no religion can congregate and can speak freely, but Christians constantly are being told to quiet up. And being the good little "obey rules" type of people, we do. Its ridiculous that my kid can't where a Jesus shirt to school, can't pray, can't congregate, but all the vulgarities are allowed?

Posted by Tammy Lawson on 2/8/2010

Its time to fight for jesus now. He has fought for us long enough time to go out there and tell them about him. Its either jesus in schools or drugs. Which one would you rather have your childl on? Yes there is drug selling going on in school. How do i know cuz i went to this school. I know more about what is going on in there then the own Dr.Cafaro. Its time to fight for jesus.

Posted by Bulldogs 72 on 2/8/2010

Let the children pray!

Posted by on 2/7/2010